Rafael Betancourt with a complete UCL tear, career likely over.

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Posted this in the game thread....with Helton retiring thought i would put it here as well

Baseball reference has a feature that allows you to look at player production in a neutral context against historical run averages.

Various first basemen, all not in HOF.....162 G Averages, (650 PA) at 4.42 R/G Neutral Environment

Can you guess which one is Helton without looking it up ?

Player A 296/406/539, 945 OPS, 34 HR 114 RBI Jeff Bagwell (7th)
Player B 307/387/501, 889 OPS, 24 HR 102 RBI Will Clark (24th)
Player C 283/376/509, 885 OPS, 33 HR 102 RBI Fred McGriff (28th)
Player D 292/387/496, 883 OPS, 23 HR 83 RBI Todd Helton (14th)
Player E 292/394/460, 855 OPS, 18 HR 87 RBI John Olerud (21st)
Player F 306/396/450, 846 OPS, 13 HR 89 RBI Keith Hernandez (19th)
Player G 313/365/478, 843 OPS, 20 HR 104 RBI Don Mattingly (36th)



Post Edited with names matching the line. obviously this doesn't take playing time, longevity into account. I have also put the players JAWS ranking in brackets after the name.

Helton gets a big boost here when you look at JAWS, and while slightly below the HOF avg, slots in well amongst guys like Mcovey, Murray, and Greenberg. JAWS gives him a nice bump for his very high peak, as his Peak 7 years ranks 11th all time. And of course the defense metrics like Helton's D a lot more than McGriff or Clark, to the tune of over 100 runs or approx 10 wins better than McGriff and 72 runs, or roughly 7 wins more than Clark.

If you just look at Offensive WAR which includes the positional adjustments, and basically everything but the defensive runs plus or minus, then McGriff, Clark, and Helton neck and neck for career value.


Anyway....unless someone has evidence Bagwell used PED's and Helton didn't, it's idiotic for the writers not to have already voted Bagwell in. And if Helton gets in before Bagwell they should just burn the HOF to the ground.

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Good depth often has to come from within, in the form of younger talent. Depth is hard to build overnight, but it’s easy to deplete. Jeff Sullivan

A - bagwell
B - mcgriff
C - Clark
D - Helton
E - mattingly
F - Hernandez
G - olerud

Total guesses, probably ugly

Well, you got 3 right, (Bagwell, Helton and hernandez)

It was a tough one. Thats pretty good.

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Good depth often has to come from within, in the form of younger talent. Depth is hard to build overnight, but it’s easy to deplete. Jeff Sullivan

not too shabby, just had mcgriff/clark flip flopped and the same with olerud/mattingly

Rockies sign Justin Morneau

2 yrs 12.5 M

As good a place as any to try to rebuild value if he has anything left.

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Good depth often has to come from within, in the form of younger talent. Depth is hard to build overnight, but it’s easy to deplete. Jeff Sullivan

SCOTTSDALE, ariz. — When shortstop Derek Jeter announced his plans to retire after this season, the ripple effect reached the Rockies with force. The Yankees will be looking for the future Hall of Famer's replacement, and Troy Tulowitzki already has been linked to the offseason vacancy.

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_25 ... source=rss

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Good, wouldn't mind seeing that guy out of the division. Great player, but he has raked against our pitching staff 3 of the last 4 years

linky

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Good depth often has to come from within, in the form of younger talent. Depth is hard to build overnight, but it’s easy to deplete. Jeff Sullivan

Rockies third baseman Nolan Arenado is out indefinitely after suffering a mallet fracture on the dorsal side of his left middle finger while sliding headfirst into second base in the top of the second inning of Friday night's 3-2 loss at Turner Field.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/roc ... y=news_mlb

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“Baseball is drama with an endless run and an ever-changing cast.”
― Joe Garagiola

Wild pitch becomes a wild play at Coors Field; three runs score

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“Baseball is drama with an endless run and an ever-changing cast.”
― Joe Garagiola

Why do I have the feeling that we'll somehow find a way to surpass that play?

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Meet the new FO... Same as the old FO. The bag may be permanent.

Rockies Acquire RHP Jair Jurrjens in Trade with Reds

Rocks give up MiLB 1B Harold Riggins. Jurrjens will report to the AAA team in Colorado Springs.

Remember, back in the day, when we thought it might be worth trying to pry Jurrjens away from the Braves?

Should the Diamondbacks have made an effort to acquire Jurrjens?

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Tulo and Cargo tired of losing



Will we be seeing quotes like this from Goldy in two years ?

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Good depth often has to come from within, in the form of younger talent. Depth is hard to build overnight, but it’s easy to deplete. Jeff Sullivan

I really feel bad about the Rockies, they always seem to be extremely close to competing and I was hoping this season would be one year for them to fight for the NL West for the first time in their history.

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Why won't we? Goldy got that one post-season appearance vs MIL, but 5 years in the dumpster and he'll be looking to go to a more competent organization without all the PR bullshit.

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What can we say about the Diamondbacks Franchise that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan?

Almost as good as this one from the Astros
http://www.totalprosports.com/2012/08/0 ... als-video/

Rockies owner says 'maybe Denver doesn't deserve a franchise'

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Winning may not be everything, but losing has little to recommend it.

wow, what a dick. Denver shows up and supports the very well. The fans should teach him a lesson or two.

Yeah, It's bizarre. They are 9th in MLB in attendance with 33K per game, and are only off from last year by 1K, despite a lot of losing the last few years.

Don't get it.

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Good depth often has to come from within, in the form of younger talent. Depth is hard to build overnight, but it’s easy to deplete. Jeff Sullivan

Maybe the Rockies' owner should sell the team if he has no faith in the city.

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The god damned plane has crashed into the mountain.