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 Post subject: Re: Rockies News
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:08 am 
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Rafael Betancourt with a complete UCL tear, career likely over.

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 Post Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:28 pm 
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Posted this in the game thread....with Helton retiring thought i would put it here as well

Baseball reference has a feature that allows you to look at player production in a neutral context against historical run averages.

Various first basemen, all not in HOF.....162 G Averages, (650 PA) at 4.42 R/G Neutral Environment

Can you guess which one is Helton without looking it up ?

Player A 296/406/539, 945 OPS, 34 HR 114 RBI Jeff Bagwell (7th)
Player B 307/387/501, 889 OPS, 24 HR 102 RBI Will Clark (24th)
Player C 283/376/509, 885 OPS, 33 HR 102 RBI Fred McGriff (28th)
Player D 292/387/496, 883 OPS, 23 HR 83 RBI Todd Helton (14th)
Player E 292/394/460, 855 OPS, 18 HR 87 RBI John Olerud (21st)
Player F 306/396/450, 846 OPS, 13 HR 89 RBI Keith Hernandez (19th)
Player G 313/365/478, 843 OPS, 20 HR 104 RBI Don Mattingly (36th)



Post Edited with names matching the line. obviously this doesn't take playing time, longevity into account. I have also put the players JAWS ranking in brackets after the name.

Helton gets a big boost here when you look at JAWS, and while slightly below the HOF avg, slots in well amongst guys like Mcovey, Murray, and Greenberg. JAWS gives him a nice bump for his very high peak, as his Peak 7 years ranks 11th all time. And of course the defense metrics like Helton's D a lot more than McGriff or Clark, to the tune of over 100 runs or approx 10 wins better than McGriff and 72 runs, or roughly 7 wins more than Clark.

If you just look at Offensive WAR which includes the positional adjustments, and basically everything but the defensive runs plus or minus, then McGriff, Clark, and Helton neck and neck for career value.


Anyway....unless someone has evidence Bagwell used PED's and Helton didn't, it's idiotic for the writers not to have already voted Bagwell in. And if Helton gets in before Bagwell they should just burn the HOF to the ground.

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 Post subject: Re: Rockies News
 Post Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:11 pm 
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A - bagwell
B - mcgriff
C - Clark
D - Helton
E - mattingly
F - Hernandez
G - olerud

Total guesses, probably ugly :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Rockies News
 Post Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:24 pm 
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Dre wrote:
A - bagwell
B - mcgriff
C - Clark
D - Helton
E - mattingly
F - Hernandez
G - olerud

Total guesses, probably ugly :lol:


Well, you got 3 right, (Bagwell, Helton and hernandez)

It was a tough one. Thats pretty good.

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 Post subject: Re: Rockies News
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:56 am 
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shoewizard wrote:
Dre wrote:
A - bagwell
B - mcgriff
C - Clark
D - Helton
E - mattingly
F - Hernandez
G - olerud

Total guesses, probably ugly :lol:


Well, you got 3 right, (Bagwell, Helton and hernandez)

It was a tough one. Thats pretty good.


not too shabby, just had mcgriff/clark flip flopped and the same with olerud/mattingly


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 Post subject: Re: Rockies News
 Post Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:25 pm 
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Rockies sign Justin Morneau

2 yrs 12.5 M

As good a place as any to try to rebuild value if he has anything left.

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 Post subject: Re: Rockies News
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SCOTTSDALE, ariz. — When shortstop Derek Jeter announced his plans to retire after this season, the ripple effect reached the Rockies with force. The Yankees will be looking for the future Hall of Famer's replacement, and Troy Tulowitzki already has been linked to the offseason vacancy.

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_25 ... source=rss

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Good, wouldn't mind seeing that guy out of the division. Great player, but he has raked against our pitching staff 3 of the last 4 years

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Rockies third baseman Nolan Arenado is out indefinitely after suffering a mallet fracture on the dorsal side of his left middle finger while sliding headfirst into second base in the top of the second inning of Friday night's 3-2 loss at Turner Field.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/roc ... y=news_mlb

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Wild pitch becomes a wild play at Coors Field; three runs score

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TAP wrote:


Why do I have the feeling that we'll somehow find a way to surpass that play? :( :shock: :o

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Rockies Acquire RHP Jair Jurrjens in Trade with Reds

Rocks give up MiLB 1B Harold Riggins. Jurrjens will report to the AAA team in Colorado Springs.

Remember, back in the day, when we thought it might be worth trying to pry Jurrjens away from the Braves?

Should the Diamondbacks have made an effort to acquire Jurrjens?

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 Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:23 am 
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Tulo and Cargo tired of losing
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TULO: "In Todd Helton, there's someone who's easy to look at his career here and how it played out. I have the utmost respect for Todd, but at the same time, I don't want to be the next in line as somebody who was here for a long time and didn't have a chance to win every single year," said Tulowitzki, reviewing the 17 years Helton spent as the face of a franchise that never won a division title. "He played in a couple postseason games and went to one World Series. But that's not me. I want to be somewhere where there's a chance to be in the playoffs every single year."

"What people need to understand about me is: Winning's my main priority," Tulowitzki said. "I've been around the game a little bit now, and I understand those years where we did win, how much more fun I had. And then there are years such as this."

CARGO: "I think it's easier for me to deal with than Tulo, because Tulo has been here for his entire baseball life. I've already been traded twice," said Gonzalez, a member of the Arizona and Oakland organizations before making his Rockies debut in 2009. "The first time I got traded, it was hard. The second time, it was even harder. But I've learned. Once, I thought it was a team didn't love the way I played. Now, I know baseball is a business, and anything can happen from one day to another."



Will we be seeing quotes like this from Goldy in two years ?

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I really feel bad about the Rockies, they always seem to be extremely close to competing and I was hoping this season would be one year for them to fight for the NL West for the first time in their history.

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Will we be seeing quotes like this from Goldy in two years ?

Why won't we? Goldy got that one post-season appearance vs MIL, but 5 years in the dumpster and he'll be looking to go to a more competent organization without all the PR bullshit.

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TAP wrote:

Almost as good as this one from the Astros
http://www.totalprosports.com/2012/08/0 ... als-video/


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 Post subject: Re: Rockies News
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Rockies owner says 'maybe Denver doesn't deserve a franchise'

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wow, what a dick. Denver shows up and supports the very well. The fans should teach him a lesson or two.


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 Post subject: Re: Rockies News
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Yeah, It's bizarre. They are 9th in MLB in attendance with 33K per game, and are only off from last year by 1K, despite a lot of losing the last few years.

Don't get it.

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Maybe the Rockies' owner should sell the team if he has no faith in the city.

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