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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:02 am 
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So winter meetings start this Sunday, December 10th, and end with the rule 5 draft on the morning of December 14th.

If the Stanton trade and Ohtani decision come down before the meetings start, that should open the floodgates to what has been a very slow off season.

This year's meetings have the potential to be pretty exciting actually with a lot of big news coming out.

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 Post Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:50 am 
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TAP wrote:

It's amazing how the outfield went from best-of-breed in 2015 to its current state so fast. Peralta looks like he's exactly the sort of death-by-a-thousand-cuts kinda guy that just kills mid-market teams as he gets more expensive. I'd love to see him and Pollock traded this offseason because I don't imagine their on-field value to the D-backs will ever be higher again than their current trade value.

Replacing Martinez is a fool's errand. I hope the D-backs are thinking more about how they overhaul the entire outfield. The fact that Peralta and Pollock project as being almost perfectly average hitters as well as the team's third and fourth best hitters next year speaks volumes.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:51 pm 
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Count the Diamondbacks among those interested in reliever Brandon Kintzler, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick, who expects the former Twins closer to land a two-year deal. Kintzler suggested last month that his wife is rooting for him to sign with Arizona. The Twins continue to monitor him, and they’ve also checked in on almost every other available pitcher, chief baseball officer Derek Falvey revealed (Twitter link via Rhett Bollinger of MLB.com).

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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:29 pm 
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The premise of internal options being able to replace JD's production is pretty weak. Actually the only hope there is Tomas, as at least he has power. The odds are VERY long though. Nobody else in the organization even has odds to begin with.



Pretty bleak picture.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:16 am 
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Brad Cesmat claimed to have talked to people in the know that stated the Dbacks are trying feverishly to move Greinke and Tomas in a package to free up money for JDM. Those two are owed roughly 180MM. In a cash dumping deal, where they'd get virtually nothing of value in return, how much would they have to eat? 80MM?


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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
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Not looking forward to having JD Martinez sucking up 30M a year of DBacks Payroll age 33-36

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Definitely not a good idea to trade Greinke just to give his money to Martinez. The worst thing the Dbacks can do is overpay for what he did in 2017. He's not going to sustain a HR/FB rate like he did in the final 2 months of 2017 and as his defense gets worse with age his value really starts to tank.

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I have to believe that Hazen is smarter than this.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
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The New York Yankees, fresh off trading for Giancarlo Stanton, are looking to shore up their rotation, and Corbin is on their radar, according to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale.

The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reports that, in addition to the Yankees’ interest in Corbin, teams are calling about the availability of Arizona’s middle infielders. One can assume that includes the shortstop position, where Arizona has options in Chris Owings, Nick Ahmed and Ketel Marte.

Arizona is one of several teams that inquired about reliever Brandon Kintzler, reports ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick.

FanRag’s Robert Murray reports the D-backs have also expressed interest in 35-year-old reliever Seung Hwan Oh.

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Rangers are talking to the D-backs about starting pitching and Zack Greinke could be in play. Any potential deal is not close but the two teams have been talking

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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
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I admit I have a lot of concerns about the collapse in Greinke's swing and miss rate on his 4 seamer

After being in double digits for 3 seasons 2013-2015, it has been more than cut in half the last two years.

He made up for it with swing and miss on sliders and curves, but essentially that is fooling guys with junk and pitch selection.

By end of regular season and in the playoffs that wasn't working any more.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
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If the Dbacks can move Greinke without having to take on a bad contract, it has to be considered at the least. If his fastball has declined that much then the contract is not worth keeping even if he had a 6.0 WAR season. If the Rangers insist on taking Shin-Soo Choo's contract then they better put prospects in the deal.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
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FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman adds that the possibility of Arizona unloading Greinke is likely linked to its pursuit of slugger J.D. Martinez — the team will meet with him Wednesday, the reporter added. But those around the league don’t believe the D-backs have a realistic chance at moving Greinke’s deal without eating part of the contract.

Martinez, meanwhile, arrived in Florida for the Winter Meetings and will sit down with Arizona and the Boston Red Sox, according to ESPN’s Scott Lauber.

The New York Yankees reportedly have interest not only in D-backs starting pitcher Patrick Corbin but infielder Brandon Drury, reports the New York Post’s Joel Sherman and MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:50 pm 
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I don't think the Diamondbacks would salary dump Greinke just to give his money to JD. It's pretty clear the Rangers initiated the talks and the Dbacks ended talks over Greinke when the Rangers wanted the Dbacks to pick up Choo's contract (which if you subtract deferred money would have been a 1 for 1 bad contract swap for the same money). There was no way the Dbacks were going to do that.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
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There's plenty of reason to want to offload the risk of a Greinke collapse on another team, but what's the goal here? It's unlikely to help them win more games in the near future and they haven't traded any of their assets with surplus value for talent that will potentially yield a better team a couple of years down the road. They're projected for 84 wins by Steamer - that should mean full steam ahead on adding talent since they aren't going to rebuild. The last two years have proven that ownership isn't going to meaningfully increase payroll in order to leverage a window of contention, which means that trading Greinke is strictly about hitting their profitability targets as easily as possible.

Stanton was a gift-wrapped opportunity for them to acquire an elite player at a position of need with their weak farm system. Release Tomas and trade one of their 17 tweeners along with a prospect for him, then they suddenly project as the Wild Card favorite with a payroll that wouldn't even crack the top 10. Make it to the postseason for the second year in a row and they could build some real momentum instead of their usual fluke appearance followed by five seasons of drought.

They won't trade guys with surplus value in order to acquire high-ceiling prospects for the future and they won't spend money to add impact talent now. It seems like only plan here is to spend <$105 million a year, regardless of the circumstances. It's amazing to see the D-backs consistently refuse to invest in the on-field product, then complain about not receiving enough handouts from the government or enough money from fans when the team hasn't even won an NLCS game in more than 15 years.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
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Or even an NLDS game in 6 years, for that matter.

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Stanton was a gift-wrapped opportunity for them to acquire an elite player at a position of need with their weak farm system.

At best, maybe Stanton would have spoken to the dbax out of courtesy like he did for SF/STL. But he was never ever ever landing in PHX.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
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Stanton wanted to play for a big market team or a team and was a World Series contender. That's why the 4 teams he was willing to waive the NTC was the Cubs, Astros, Dodgers, and the Yankees. The Dbacks check neither box, although depending on what Mike Hazen does they could have a shot at competing in the postseason. Dbacks still need to fortify the bullpen and improve their OF and catching situation.

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How many people had Greinke signing in Arizona? Players end up in unexpected places every single offseason. The onus is on teams to pursue those deals, rather than just rigidly stick to a bottom-third payroll and shrug their shoulders when talent that would fill obvious needs ends up elsewhere. If playing in a big market or contending were immutable objectives for Stanton, he never would've signed that extension in the first place. Arizona could've made a plausible case for being a contender if they were serious about winning.

The main reason that Stanton isn't here is because the D-backs never made the phone call. Their plan is to shed payroll, so they couldn't care less that there was an opportunity to acquire a six-win upgrade when the value of every marginal win is at its highest.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017-18 off season General discussion thread
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:31 am 
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From Buster Olney

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As of Saturday morning, the Chicago White Sox and Arizona Diamondbacks had demonstrated the most interest in Manny Machado, according to AL sources. Some execs involved in the talks still wonder if Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos will give a final approval to a Machado deal in the face of some negative fan reaction. But a lot of Baltimore fans are sophisticated and understand that Machado won’t re-sign with the Orioles after 2018, and that swapping him gives the franchise its best chance to acquire young pitching talent.


Machado will make about 15M in arb I'm guessing. And knowing what we know the D Backs are already projected to be over their payroll budget. They would need to move at least 20M worth of payroll to add Machado.

And of course you only get Machado for one season, and then he's gone to free agency.

Some mighty strange rumors coming out about this team lately.

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