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 Post subject: Chris Iannetta
 Post Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:13 pm 
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“It’s tougher to put any sort of positive spin on the loss of catcher Welington Castillo to free agency,” Joe Peta, contributing to ESPN.com wrote. “His offensive production surely won’t be replaced by Chris Iannetta but, unfortunately, his deficiency in framing strikes probably will, which calls into question whether the front office really has improved its thinking.”

As Arizona Sports reported last month, Iannetta was once one of the game’s best at pitch-framing, but has since regressed. The question of how he’ll handle the strike zone in 2017 is up for debate.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
 Post Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:06 pm 
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TAP wrote:
“It’s tougher to put any sort of positive spin on the loss of catcher Welington Castillo to free agency,” Joe Peta, contributing to ESPN.com wrote. “His offensive production surely won’t be replaced by Chris Iannetta but, unfortunately, his deficiency in framing strikes probably will, which calls into question whether the front office really has improved its thinking.”

As Arizona Sports reported last month, Iannetta was once one of the game’s best at pitch-framing, but has since regressed. The question of how he’ll handle the strike zone in 2017 is up for debate.


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
 Post Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:19 pm 
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Castillos offense is overrated


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:16 pm 
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On Feb 20th I wrote the following at AZ Snakepit

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One thing I was thinking about Iannetta
we may get a dead cat bounce with his offense. Moving back out of the tougher American League, and into the weaker National League, and in a hitters park in the NL west may give him a boost beyond what the park metrics, (OPS+…wRC+ etc) would adjust for.

Really wouldn’t surprise me to see him come in between 90-100

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Posted by shoewizard on Feb 20, 2017 | 4:32 PM



Then on March 28th I wrote this:
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I voted Iannetta/Mathis because
I think Iannetta has a dead cat bounce in him at the plate. He still takes his walks, and still has HR power. He had awfully low BABIP the last two years, and while of course with aging catchers who run ever slower down to first you expect BABIP to drop, not quite THAT much. There wasn’t massive shifting in his GB/FB ratios, and his K% is only up a little bit compared to league averages.

Playing home games in Chase field, I think his batting avg comes up, and that helps his overall offensive game and confidence at the plate.

Look for 95-100 OPS+ for Iannetta this year. If he gets 350+ PA’s at catcher while putting up close to 100 OPS+, that is almost 2 WAR right there.

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Posted by shoewizard on Mar 28, 2017 | 12:06 PM


Then, in response to the question of "WHAT IS A DEAD CAT BOUNCET BOUNCE", I wrote this on April 16th

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guy is in decline
his numbers tanked the last two years.

He has a "rebound" year that is significantly better than the last couple years, but still well shy of his peak also.

So for example, from age 25-31 he had a 108 OPS+ with a couple of seasons in the 120’s

Then 78 and 75 OPS+ the last two years.

A dead cat bounce would be about a 95 OPS+, which is plenty productive for a catcher and would fit my own personal definition of dead cat bounce.

EDIT: The term comes from the finance world

In finance, a dead cat bounce is a small, brief recovery in the price of a declining stock. Derived from the idea that "even a dead cat will bounce if it falls from a great height", the phrase, which originated on Wall Street, is also popularly applied to any case where a subject experiences a brief resurgence during or following a severe decline.

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by shoewizard on Apr 16, 2017 | 1:54 PM up 1 recs flag


In his first 101 PA's he is batting .239/.307/.545

The BABIP is only .246 and the Walk % is only 6.9%, which is only HALF his career avg walk %, so his low OBP is interesting.

Of course he has 8 homers in just 101 PA, and his slugging is off the charts. This has resulted in 118 wRC+ and a 114 OPS+

I would not expect him to keep hitting homers at this rate, He is on pace for about 265 PA's and 20 homers !. I doubt THAT keeps up. but I expect his walk rate and obp to go up a bit.

Overall likely to regress a bit as season wears on, but this is classic Dead Cat Bounce for sure. We'll see where he ends up over a full season.


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:51 pm 
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Iannetta's season, while light years ahead of last year, fits in comfortably with other years he's enjoyed in the bigs (2008 and 2014 were actually better seasons). It's probably my imagination, but the Dbacks seem to benefit from more fluky career hitting years from their journeymen catchers (Estrada, Blanco, Castillo) than most.


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
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David B wrote:
Iannetta's season, while light years ahead of last year, fits in comfortably with other years he's enjoyed in the bigs (2008 and 2014 were actually better seasons). It's probably my imagination, but the Dbacks seem to benefit from more fluky career hitting years from their journeymen catchers (Estrada, Blanco, Castillo) than most.



Do you mean Henry Blanco? I can't think of another one. He batted a combined .226 with 9 HRs and 19 RBI in 179 PA. His full season as a backup was pretty much career average for him.

Estrada was an MVP in Atlanta and the one year in Milwaukee was decent.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
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Henry Blanco put up a 132 OPS+ in 2011. He was never over 93 in any other season. Estrada did have an all star year in Atlanta, but Arizona was able to parlay his second best offensive season into a useful pitcher in the short term (Doug Davis).


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:21 pm 
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Oh, you're looking at single seasons. I was looking at, "entire time in AZ." He had a .8 WAR in 2011.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
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Yeah, sorry for the mix up Justin. It seems Az has been lucky to unload journeymen catchers near their peak offensive performance and not get stuck overpaying for mediocrity.


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
 Post Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:26 pm 
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So Iannetta ended up having a pretty good season for D Backs. He made 1.5 M last year and is a FA. I'd try to bring him back on another one year contract, offering 2.5M. I don't think the team will though.

He hit .254/.354/.511 .865 OPS, 114 OPS+

That was good for 1.8 WAR in 272 PA, despite -2 fielding runs.

His framing was considered neutral according to Stat Corner, (see below for rank among free agent catchers)

He only caught 24% of base stealers, had 5 passed balls, (not too many) and there were 38 WP with him catching. The WP are kind of a high number I think, even though they are charged to pitchers.

The Catcher ERA, and OPS against numbers were worse overall compared to Mathis and Herrmann

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Split               G    IP  ER  ERA   PA SB CS  BB  SO SO/W   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS BAbip
Chris Herrmann     45 317.2 112 3.17 1329 25 10 131 331 2.53 .220 .305 .385 .691  .268
Chris Iannetta     78 632.2 283 4.03 2710 25  8 235 630 2.68 .254 .322 .416 .738  .310
Jeff Mathis        58 474.2 185 3.51 1968 19 14 145 501 3.46 .236 .294 .383 .677  .299
John Ryan Murphy    5  16.0   6 3.38   65  0  0   5  20 4.00 .220 .277 .356 .633  .289




But he caught most Godley, Corbin, and Walker, and seldom caught Greinke and Ray. So if you don't get to catch the team's two best starters very often, you will probably lag in the above numbers


Iannetta PA's by pitcher

among FA catchers, he actually had the best Framing numbers of anyone except Chris Stewart, who barely played.

Game Season
0.74 3.9 Chris Stewart (36) — $1.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
0.00 0 Chris Iannetta (35)
-0.09 -0.6 Miguel Montero (34)
-0.28 -1.7 Jose Lobaton (33)
-0.28 -2.3 Rene Rivera (34)
-1.05 -13 Welington Castillo (31) — $7MM player option
-1.09 -15.7 Matt Wieters (32) — $11MM player option
-1.25 -11.1 Nick Hundley (34)
-2.19 -10.4 A.J. Ellis (37)
-2.42 -3.7 Geovany Soto (35)
-2.74 -14.1 Carlos Ruiz (39)
-3.20 -19.2 Alex Avila (31)
-3.40 -29.2 Jonathan Lucroy (32)


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
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Chris signed with the Rockies, 2 years for $8.5 million.

Surprised he'd sign this early for that little, considering old friend Welington Castillo signed a 2 year, $15 million deal himself. Guess the D-backs have other plans at catcher going forward if they didn't want to match that contract.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Iannetta
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:17 am 
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Castillo is Younger and prior to last year Iannetta had two really bad years that hurt his brand.

Obviously I was way off in even thinking the Dbacks might be able to retain him on a one year deal though. This really illustrates perfectly just how tight the payroll straight jacket is for Mike Hazen.

He is probably only authorized for an opening Day payroll of 105M and not including any of the free agents has salary commitments upwards of 115 M. He is going to have to shed salary, not add.


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