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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:13 pm 
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It's sad to see internet people dogpile on a great player like La Gasolina. Fact is he has more saves this year than Ted Williams had during any year he was MVP, more wins in 2017 than Stan Musial had in his entire career, and literally the lowest Balk/9 in MLB history this season.


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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:18 am 
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Headline from Dayne Perry's article today:
Collapse against Dodgers shows D-Backs have a closer problem that needs fixing

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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:52 am 
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reposting my comment just now from the game thread in response to previous comment questioning the criticisms TL has received.

BTW, Strebors nickname La Gasolina made me laugh out loud last night. I feel kinda bad about it, but it was funny.


Anyway, here is my response to 98dback:

I mostly agree with you, like 85%

Rodney is the closer, and will have his ups and downs, and that is the roster that the Front office gives TL to work with.

It's not only the roster though. This front office has very clear directions to the manager about USAGE patterns for all the players, including starters and relievers, based on how they constructed the roster. This may chaffe some people the wrong way, but in the modern game, it's the way it should be. Front offices put together a roster based on how they expect the players to be utilized. And then it is up to them to communicate those intentions to the manager and coaching staff very clear. Of course DURING the roster construction phase, the GM and Manager should be on same page, and manager should be consulted on not only overall roster construction direction and intended usages, but on specific players too.

So.....long story short..this is the team he has, and this is how he is supposed to use them. All of the above is in support of what you said 98.

There is one thing last night however: When Rodney walked the second man to load the bases, they did a closeup of him as he got the ball back and turned his back to the catcher. You could see him roll his eyes, and there was a moment of total recognition and resignation on his face. He knew there and then he could not throw a strike. He was defeated the moment he loaded the bases and he KNEW IT.

Now that is a totally subjective viewpoint on my part, in no small way influenced by previous events most likely. But I know the look I saw.

So that does beg the question, why didn't the coaching staff see this ?

Ultimately it might not have mattered. Even if he gets the pen up and throwing 1 or even 2 batters earlier, we probably have the same result.

Bottom line: Rodney is prone to very hot and very cold streaks. His implosions come in bunches. They always have. Thats who he is.

Thats what you get for 2 M. Last night on Twitter I was going back and forth with people wanting to trade for David Robertson , who is paid 12M this year and 13 M next year, or Brad Hand , who has never closed and has 4.08 career era and 123 appearances since beginning of last year. (Hint....expect his ERA to rise......remember Jon Rauch......look at his numbers before coming to the D backs) At the same time nobody is able to effectively articulate just how far the D backs should go in giving up talent to get a clear cut upgrade in the bullpen. It's usually a steeper cost than people are willing to consider.

Point is this is the closer. If they remove him from the role, they probably have only the choice to turn to Bradley to be the closer, and then they have issues at set up and earlier high leverage. That may be ultimately what happens. But I wouldn't expect things to be much better or different OVERALL. Archie is due to regress, and recently had to be given extra days off as he was "tired". Who knows what the stretch run will do to him. And what happens if he needs to close 3 days in a row ?

So no easy answers here. The team has a 2 Million dollar closer, a low budget, and a cheap owner with an eye on exploding arb costs the next couple of years


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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:57 am 
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Rodney was an acceptable solution for a team going into a season with minimal expectations. But now that Arizona has a really strong shot at the playoffs management has to upgrade. When the "bad Rodney" shows up he tends to stay for a while. I'd be more inclined to look at set up options (cheaper) and move Bradley into the closers role.

Shoe, you know their farm system better than I do. Do they have any quality starting prospects that they can use as relievers in the short term, both upgrading the pen and limiting innings on young arms? That's what the Brewers are doing with Hader and Ortiz.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:06 pm 
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Strebor wrote:
It's sad to see internet people dogpile on a great player like La Gasolina. Fact is he has more saves this year than Ted Williams had during any year he was MVP, more wins in 2017 than Stan Musial had in his entire career, and literally the lowest Balk/9 in MLB history this season.


Brilliant! Too bad that the humor arises from an awful reality.

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Rodney was an acceptable solution for a team going into a season with minimal expectations. But now that Arizona has a really strong shot at the playoffs management has to upgrade. When the "bad Rodney" shows up he tends to stay for a while. I'd be more inclined to look at set up options (cheaper) and move Bradley into the closers role.


Well said.

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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
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Couldn't Rubby slide into the 8th inning role and Archie into the 9th?

That's all dependent on the FO being willing to admit defeat on Rodney, of course...

EDIT: Nevermind I totally missed Rubby getting hurt again.

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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
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Ryan wrote:
Couldn't Rubby slide into the 8th inning role and Archie into the 9th?

That's all dependent on the FO being willing to admit defeat on Rodney, of course...

EDIT: Nevermind I totally missed Rubby getting hurt again.


Yeah his injury bad timing

Torey said it was more precautionary and they felt the extra time with the all star break would help.

We'll see. I dont expect to see him again in July

But by the time we get to mid september if he is good to go and bradley is closing its not a bad way to go


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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:12 pm 
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Despite the collapse, manager Torey Lovullo isn't making a change at closer – reiterating his season-long belief in Rodney before Friday's game.

"Fernando's going to be our closer," Lovullo said.

Although players were "spitting mad" Thursday evening after that devastating defeat, a reaction Lovullo felt was appropriate, he sensed the group had shifted its focus by Friday.


http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/m ... 460727001/

The Diamondbacks players were "spitting mad" at Rodney because he took what was their greatest win of the year and shit all over it.

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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
 Post Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:59 am 
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Here is a table of MLB Relievers with Minimum 8 saves, ranked by Save %. I've included lots of other stats in the table though, including RE-24, WPA, (both are situational or "clutch" type stats). ERA+ and FIP are in there. Notable that Rodney's FIP is much lower than ERA.

Ultimately his role is to close games, so while Save Percentage is not a good stat to evaluate how good a pitcher is, it IS a useful stat to to evaluate the level of RESULTS the pitcher is getting in his primary role.

Rodney ranks 20th out of 30 after two recent blown saves.

Had he converted those 2 saves he would have a 88.9% save percentage , or in other words be in the top 15 in MLB.

Thought it was interesting. Still don't trust him of course. the walk percentage of 13.7% is the biggest issue. He probably has to overthrow now to maintain his velocity as he ages, and that is hurting his command and control, never great to begin with.

Hard to imagine the team making a deep playoff run with him as closer. But maybe if they can eke out 2 more months with him and then turn it over to Bradley in early/mid september and hopefully archie is hot in the post season. (and hopefully our post season is more than just one game).

Bottom line, if game is on the line in the 9th inning in the Wild Card game and you need a save, who do you want there, Bradley or Rodney ?

Easy answer today. Lets see how we feel in two months.


































RkPlayerSV%SVBSvRE24WPAIPWARTmBBSOERAFIPK%BB%ERA+HROPSOPS+
1Wade Davis100.0%16072.630.01.0CHC12431.802.0335.8%10.0%2361.50639
2Kenley Jansen100.0%210142.936.21.7LAD2560.981.0642.1%1.5%4232.3885
3Greg Holland96.6%281122.932.12.1COL15431.392.3034.4%12.0%3641.48525
4Cody Allen94.1%16161.133.11.0CLE12492.703.3434.3%8.4%1785.72184
5AJ Ramos93.8%15130.631.10.4MIA16393.163.6429.8%12.2%1303.60468
6Raisel Iglesias93.8%151131.641.21.5CIN16501.732.5431.5%10.1%2582.47830
7David Robertson92.3%12130.930.10.8CHW11442.973.1635.8%8.9%1454.61165
8Craig Kimbrel92.0%232162.737.22.3BOS5681.190.8050.8%3.7%3902.338-11
9Ken Giles90.5%19210.231.10.5HOU12393.452.7530.5%9.4%1172.58864
10Kelvin Herrera90.5%19200.534.0-0.1KCR7334.504.5122.9%4.9%1037.806107
11Brandon Maurer90.0%182-5-0.434.1-0.4SDP7355.772.9625.0%5.0%743.68285
12Justin Wilson90.0%9191.332.21.2DET12482.482.9237.8%9.5%1794.55848
13Brandon Kintzler88.9%243101.839.11.3MIN8242.293.6215.7%5.2%1983.61062
14Neftali Feliz88.9%81-6-0.834.0-0.8TOT17275.296.1318.9%11.9%858.803111
15Addison Reed88.2%15262.242.21.5NYM5432.533.0224.9%2.9%1675.66378
16Roberto Osuna88.0%223101.435.01.7TOR3472.061.4836.4%2.3%2222.46120
17Bud Norris85.7%122110.435.11.2LAA14462.293.0231.9%9.7%1883.55953
18Alex Colome85.2%23430.738.10.0TBR16353.993.7621.0%9.6%1063.68987
19Seung-hwan Oh85.0%17320.639.20.1STL11383.634.5221.8%6.3%1177.763104
20Fernando Rodney81.5%225-5-0.130.2-0.6ARI18345.583.6526.0%13.7%852.63267
21Corey Knebel81.3%133162.640.22.3MIL22711.112.0143.3%13.4%3992.52945
22Edwin Diaz81.3%133-10.033.20.1SEA15453.485.0031.0%10.3%1248.69385
23Koda Glover80.0%8220.419.1-0.1WSN4175.122.7021.3%5.0%861.64773
24Aroldis Chapman80.0%82-1-0.218.20.2NYY6303.861.2336.1%7.2%1210.65975
25Brad Brach78.9%15481.137.11.3BAL11382.653.4027.1%7.9%1664.53042
RkPlayerSV%SVBSvRE24WPAIPWARTmBBSOERAFIPK%BB%ERA+HROPSOPS+
26Santiago Casilla77.8%1442-0.232.00.5OAK12293.943.8820.7%8.6%1073.71295
27Mark Melancon73.3%1140-0.820.20.1SFG3194.353.6421.8%3.5%963.774111
28Jim Johnson73.1%1971-0.638.10.3ATL13484.232.4329.5%8.0%1032.60765
29Matt Bush66.7%1051-0.532.00.2TEX11343.664.2923.8%7.7%1285.75497
30Tony Watson58.8%1070-0.139.10.5PIT11293.895.0716.2%6.2%1127.846125



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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:58 am 
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Rodney's had a very good August.

This is the Rodney I want to see in the playoffs, but as shoewizard posted on August 3rd, "I honestly can't help but feel that come post season, Rodney is a pretty big liability though, despite his stretches of success in the regular season. I believe the pressure packed playoffs will expose his control problems like that game vs. the Dodgers."

Rodney can go for stretches looking outstanding, but when he's off, his meltdowns are epic and costly. I love watching his successes but cannot deny the anxiety I feel every second he's pitching until we see that fake arrow being launched.

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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:38 pm 
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TAP wrote:
Rodney's had a very good August.

This is the Rodney I want to see in the playoffs, but as shoewizard posted on August 3rd, "I honestly can't help but feel that come post season, Rodney is a pretty big liability though, despite his stretches of success in the regular season. I believe the pressure packed playoffs will expose his control problems like that game vs. the Dodgers."

Rodney can go for stretches looking outstanding, but when he's off, his meltdowns are epic and costly. I love watching his successes but cannot deny the anxiety I feel every second he's pitching until we see that fake arrow being launched.

Both of his pitches have to be working for him to get it done. I wonder sometimes
if, when he warms up, he can't get one of those pitches right, maybe they
can warm up someone else to close. I realize he might be able to use his
veteran experience to get by on one pitch, but I wouldn't bank on it


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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
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Here is an updated and slightly different version of the table I posted in early July. Notable for Rodney is that his FIP is only 3.29, much lower than his ERA+, and his OPS+ against is in the 50's.



































RkPlayerSV%SVBSvERAFIPERA+WARYearTmWLIPHK%BB%BAbipHROPS+
1Wade Davis100.0%2602.223.371951.42017CHC3144.22831.5%13.0%.250455
2Kenley Jansen97.2%3511.231.243402.52017LAD5058.13442.7%2.8%.268418
3Raisel Iglesias96.0%2412.072.592132.22017CIN2265.14731.0%9.2%.287450
4Felipe Rivero94.1%1611.252.483452.72017PIT4264.23530.7%6.8%.207420
5Sean Doolittle94.1%1613.202.541370.92017TOT1039.12632.0%4.7%.242440
6AJ Ramos92.6%2523.663.961140.62017TOT2451.24028.7%13.0%.281686
7Zach Britton92.3%1213.423.701270.52017BAL1026.13117.0%11.9%.3661104
8Addison Reed90.5%1922.983.541461.82017TOT2360.15525.1%3.7%.284980
9Greg Holland90.0%3643.973.901271.22017COL2547.23629.3%12.1%.275669
10Ken Giles89.7%2632.542.341561.42017HOU1249.23333.9%8.7%.280354
11Kelvin Herrera89.7%2633.884.281180.62017KCR3248.24823.0%7.7%.2928104
12Alex Colome88.6%3953.073.281360.92017TBR2358.24820.7%8.5%.271370
13Craig Kimbrel88.2%3041.611.362822.82017BOS5056.02749.8%5.3%.262515
14Edwin Diaz88.2%3043.514.261230.62017SEA2556.13731.7%12.5%.231969
15David Robertson87.5%1422.452.871811.92017TOT6251.13336.3%7.8%.257652
16Cody Allen87.5%2132.893.051611.42017CLE1653.04432.0%8.1%.306668
17Fernando Rodney86.5%3254.533.291040.22017ARI4343.23028.6%12.6%.267353
18Seung-hwan Oh86.4%1933.834.021120.02017STL1554.06321.6%5.4%.3378109
19Corey Knebel85.3%2951.312.143363.42017MIL1261.23641.6%13.6%.308346
20Brandon Kintzler84.8%2852.933.741521.52017TOT4258.15414.8%6.3%.279473
21Hector Neris84.2%1633.173.551351.42017PHI4559.25625.0%8.2%.313685
22Brandon Maurer83.3%2045.963.4272-0.92017TOT3551.15723.1%7.6%.3475109
23Bud Norris82.6%1944.414.17970.22017LAA2551.04628.6%10.0%.306894
24Justin Wilson81.3%1332.923.451531.52017TOT4449.13230.4%12.3%.241562
25Roberto Osuna81.0%3483.461.521331.22017TOR3454.24233.5%3.3%.308237
RkPlayerSV%SVBSvERAFIPERA+WARYearTmWLIPHK%BB%BAbipHROPS+
26Aroldis Chapman80.0%1644.233.071080.22017NYY4338.13430.8%10.7%.337378
27Brad Brach77.3%1752.823.461531.32017BAL3454.13826.8%8.5%.242660
28Brad Hand75.0%1242.192.911912.32017SDP2465.24234.1%7.1%.255754
29Jim Johnson71.0%2295.943.5772-0.82017ATL6350.05424.5%9.6%.338595
30Sam Dyson70.6%1255.405.7981-0.52017TOT2745.05313.6%12.2%.3117126
31Santiago Casilla69.6%1674.284.081000.52017OAK3548.14922.9%8.4%.3166104



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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
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I've seen enough of Rodney against the Dodgers to not have ANY CONFIDENCE WHATSOEVER in holding a late lead against LA in the playoffs, should the Dbacks make it to the NLDS.

Tonight was a disaster even though we didn't blow the game. We VERY easily could have.

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Ryan wrote:
I've seen enough of Rodney against the Dodgers to not have ANY CONFIDENCE WHATSOEVER in holding a late lead against LA in the playoffs, should the Dbacks make it to the NLDS.

Tonight was a disaster even though we didn't blow the game. We VERY easily could have.


http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/boxscore?id=66641

Terrible outing tonight.

31 Pitches
2 Hits
1 HBP
1 Wild Pitch
1 Earned Run

If we win the Wild Card Game, the Dodgers are who we'll be facing in the playoffs. We'll never survive Rodney.

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Mid pack now in save percentage and 12 th in fip amongst relievers with 15 or more saves






























RkPlayerSV%SVBSvERAFIPYearAgeTmLgGGSCGSHOGFWLW-L%IPHRERBBSOK%BB%ERA+BAbipHRBFAB2B3BIBBHBPSHSFGDPSBCSPOBKWPBAOBPSLGOPSOPS+PitStr
1Wade Davis100.0%2702.173.37201731CHCNL470004431.75045.2291211245830.9%12.8%200.2504188162501110540006.179.289.284.57355823505
2Kenley Jansen97.2%3511.231.24201729LADNL5600049501.00058.1349869342.7%2.8%340.2684218209310200280011.163.194.244.43818854633
3Raisel Iglesias96.0%2412.072.59201727CINNL550005022.50065.1471615248131.0%9.2%213.2874261234601111433001.201.277.278.555501041690
4Felipe Rivero94.1%1611.522.49201725PITNL630003042.66765.1391611177730.0%6.6%288.2244257236400301221002.165.230.233.463261001677
5Sean Doolittle94.1%1613.122.56201730TOTML4200023101.00040.128151474831.0%4.5%140.2504155146501002330003.192.226.308.53442601445
6AJ Ramos92.9%2623.613.87201730TOTNL520004924.33352.1402221296629.3%12.9%116.2816225193621210310006.207.317.352.66984961581
7Addison Reed90.5%1922.933.47201728TOTML610003123.40061.156202096325.5%3.6%148.28792472341011112101002.239.268.406.67479968688
8Greg Holland90.0%3643.973.91201731COLNL510004825.28647.2362121245829.3%12.1%127.2756198172611101531006.209.308.360.66969746474
9Ken Giles89.7%2632.542.34201726HOUAL500004312.33349.2331414176633.9%8.7%156.2803195174610112330002.190.263.287.55054757505
10Kelvin Herrera89.7%2633.814.18201727KCRAL530004632.60049.2482421165023.6%7.6%120.29082121951051001350002.246.302.472.774101829554
11Alex Colome88.9%4053.023.18201728TBRAL570004623.40059.2492220215421.5%8.4%139.27532512191117335410003.224.294.324.61970899584
12Craig Kimbrel88.6%3141.581.32201729BOSAL5500043501.00057.02710101110550.0%5.2%290.2595210195400310035105.138.196.236.43213948651
13Edwin Diaz88.2%3043.514.27201723SEAAL560004225.28656.1372622307631.7%12.5%123.23192402044023121112013.181.293.333.62669989621
14Cody Allen88.0%2232.822.94201728CLEAL550004316.14354.1441917187432.7%8.0%166.3046226205810210151007.215.284.351.63664936589
15Fernando Rodney87.2%3454.533.26201740ARINL500004343.57145.2322523235428.3%12.0%105.2713191163413221352006.196.302.288.59054806490
16Seung-hwan Oh86.4%1933.763.97201734STLNL560003615.16755.0632723135321.7%5.3%113.33382442221018324100001.284.326.446.772106965672
17Corey Knebel85.7%3051.292.09201725MILNL630003612.33362.237993410641.7%13.4%345.31232542188042003122002.170.287.248.535461130713
18Brandon Kintzler84.8%2852.883.74201732TOTML590004242.66759.1542019153514.6%6.3%155.2754240219802312842001.247.301.338.63971958612
19Hector Neris84.2%1633.173.55201728PHINL600004445.44459.2562221216425.0%8.2%135.3136256228902412631011.246.318.364.68285993659
20Brandon Maurer83.3%2045.913.62201726TOTML580003835.37553.1583535175322.8%7.3%73.33562322121332102420001.274.328.448.776108868576
21Bud Norris82.6%1944.414.17201732LAAAL540003425.28651.0462525226328.6%10.0%97.3068220195511300541006.236.323.395.71894915571
22Roberto Osuna81.0%3483.401.55201722TORAL580005234.42955.242232177233.0%3.2%136.3012218205610312450004.205.240.273.51335821559
23Aroldis Chapman80.0%1644.233.08201729NYYAL410003343.57138.1342018185230.8%10.7%109.3373169146802301192205.233.327.349.67778715475
24Brad Brach73.9%1762.933.65201731BALAL550003144.50055.1392018185826.7%8.3%147.2397217197801002402013.198.263.345.60863960638
25Jim Johnson71.0%2295.943.57201734ATLNL540003663.66750.0543333225624.5%9.6%72.3385229203903103130003.266.336.384.72095871555
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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
 Post Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:25 am 
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Only Atlanta and Toronto have higher ERA closers.

Keeping 9th innings exciting since 2017.

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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
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well to be fair, a lot of that ERA came from the beginning of the season when he was a trash burning facility.

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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
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He's 40. He's shaky. He fails the eye test.

Let him walk after this season. Sure he's been good value for the money paid this season, but bringing him back would be the wrong move IMO...exactly the kind of wrong move that Towers/TLR/Stewart would make, but one I'm confident that Hazen will not.

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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
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I think This report explains why we feel so bad about Rodney.

Yes, he has 36 saves and 6 blown.

BUT He has given up 3 runs or more in save situations 4 times. Thats the most in MLB this year

In those 4 blown saves he has faced 27 batters, recorded 6 outs, given up 14 hits, 7 walks, 1 HR, and 16 runs, 15 earned

21 of 27 batters have reached base and 16 of them have scored in his 4 "big blows"

Honestly if most of his 6 blown saves were of the 1 run variety, it would feel different. After all, it's hard to
be perfect. His save % is still middle of the pack. He's had long stretches where he doesn't blow a save.

But blowing large leads is especially frustrating and gut wrenching, for the fans, for the team, and for the coaches.
And it's just happened too often.

For the post season, if they move Corbin or Godley to the pen, it may give them the option to move
Bradley to the closer role, but then what do you do with Rodney ? I wouldn't trust him in high leverage
set up role either, so he becomes a mop up man ?

At the very least, one thing that needs to change is when Rodney comes in and give up 2 baserunners, Torey
needs to get someone else up in the pen. The options may not be good at that point, but when Rodney is
getting hit, no option is worse. The sad truth however is that this is unlikely to happen. TL is extremely likely
to continue with the same process, which will include sticking with Rodney even when he's getting lit


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 Post subject: Re: Rodney to the dbacks
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shoewizard wrote:
I think This report explains why we feel so bad about Rodney.

Yes, he has 36 saves and 6 blown.

BUT He has given up 3 runs or more in save situations 4 times. Thats the most in MLB this year

In those 4 blown saves he has faced 27 batters, recorded 6 outs, given up 14 hits, 7 walks, 1 HR, and 16 runs, 15 earned

21 of 27 batters have reached base and 16 of them have scored in his 4 "big blows"

Honestly if most of his 6 blown saves were of the 1 run variety, it would feel different. After all, it's hard to
be perfect. His save % is still middle of the pack. He's had long stretches where he doesn't blow a save.

But blowing large leads is especially frustrating and gut wrenching, for the fans, for the team, and for the coaches.
And it's just happened too often.

For the post season, if they move Corbin or Godley to the pen, it may give them the option to move
Bradley to the closer role, but then what do you do with Rodney ? I wouldn't trust him in high leverage
set up role either, so he becomes a mop up man ?

At the very least, one thing that needs to change is when Rodney comes in and give up 2 baserunners, Torey
needs to get someone else up in the pen. The options may not be good at that point, but when Rodney is
getting hit, no option is worse. The sad truth however is that this is unlikely to happen. TL is extremely likely
to continue with the same process, which will include sticking with Rodney even when he's getting lit


I agree on having someone else warm behind him in big moments just in case. On Saturday, I was curious why they didn't just let AB pitch the ninth. He threw like 3 pitches to get one out in the 8th. Why not just let him finish it? Give Rodney the night off. He has had a lot of work lately. Instead, they went to Chafin, which hasn't worked lately. He came in with 5 or 6 run cushion against the Mets and had to be removed and Rodney deployed. Chafin has been awful lately. I don't trust him at all. If you need a mop up on a 5 run lead,go to McFarland. I don't mind Chafin getting to face a lefty or two, but he has no ability to pitch an entire inning at this point. Too many walks to lefties and hits given up to righties.


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