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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 4:14 pm 
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Maybe it's a case of trying to hit for average, rather than obp, to earn a regular spot in the lineup.


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 5:53 pm 
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I honestly don't think so. I think it's simply a case of he has zero plate discipline, never has and never will. This is completely consistent with his minor league career. He's not likely to change.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 8:01 pm 
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So they probably need to draft Rodgers? :)


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 8:03 pm 
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I personally would like Rodgers.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
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dbackfanron wrote:
So they probably need to draft Rodgers? :)




Looks like they are looking at Vandy SS Swanson. I have some friends at the SEC tourney and from what they said he is very impressive.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
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I like that Rodgers has some power potential, so if the Dbacks wanted to move him to corner OF position, he would fit nicely. Swanson, however, might be able to move very fast thru the system.

If they decide to take a pitcher, I think Nikorak should be the guy.


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:04 pm 
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I heard 2 things last night that really concerned me about the regime in concerns to CO. First was they knew how long it would take CO to recover and how bad he would look at the plate, that part is fine but why wouldn't you let him work it out from either rehab on DL or @ Reno? Why would you knowing how offensively challenged at the bottom of the order the lineup would be would you do this? Secondly they were talking about CO's injury causing him to be less disciplined at the plate. I can tell you from watching him back in 2010 @ South Bend that CO NEVER had even average Plate discipline. Again maybe I'm wrong but I simply don't think CO EVER had good plate discipline or walked much. Are they really trying to say this injury caused him to almost never walk.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
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Hopefully thats just spin and they don't believe that. Any idiot can go look up and see his career 3.5% walk rate.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:36 pm 
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Owings took a walk tonight.....

No, this is not an April fools post.

Heading into tonight, Owings had a 2.3% walk rate.

Here are the only two players with at least 200 PA and walk rate below 2.5% in D Backs history. Stunningly close and stunningly bad.

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Player         WAR/pos OPS+  OPS Rfield SO BB  PA Year  G  AB  R  H 2B 3B HR RBI   BA  OBP  SLG
Chris Owings      -0.6   54 .573    0.0 55  5 214 2015 52 203 23 48  7  2  2  15 .236 .252 .320
Tony Abreu        -1.3   47 .560   -2.0 47  4 201 2010 81 193 16 45 11  1  1  13 .233 .244 .316


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:11 am 
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So HERE is Owings updated comp list thru age 23, full table

abbreviated table below. A couple of interesting names.....All 2b or SS except one centerfielder, Carlos Gomez. I didn't filter by position, but of course middle of the field players are going to populate his list

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Rk            Player OPS+ HR  SO BB   PA   G   AB   R   H 2B 3B RBI SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS
1         Mark Lewis   78  6 121 40  835 220  779  79 205 38  1  65  9  7 .263 .298 .338 .636
2       Chris Owings   76 10 212 45  914 249  852  98 211 45 11  74 26  5 .248 .286 .362 .648
3    Cristian Guzman   74 19 269 89 1673 405 1544 216 400 65 37 131 62 25 .259 .302 .386 .688
4       Carlos Gomez   70 12 241 55 1102 348 1017 144 250 42 12  99 59 21 .246 .292 .346 .638
5         Juan Uribe   70 14 175 42  901 227  839 101 218 40 18 102 12  2 .260 .299 .400 .699
6          Ken Hubbs   70 14 230 74 1358 324 1255 148 310 44 13  98 11 16 .247 .290 .336 .626


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
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Does it really matter? Won't we be watching Lamb, Swanson, Drury, Goldschmidt as the starting infield by mid-2017?


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
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dbackfanron wrote:
Does it really matter? Won't we be watching Lamb, Swanson, Drury, Goldschmidt as the starting infield by mid-2017?


Well, they are likely to be making a move for a starting pitcher in the off season and if they get a good one, and Corbin continues to pitch like this, and Ray figures out his Slider, all of a sudden they are contenders and it does matter in 2016

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:59 pm 
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Just how bad is Owings season and how much is his lack of plate discipline hurting him ?

This LINK gives you a list of players that have had at least 135 K's and a K/BB ratio of at least 5.9

All the other guys on the list had at least SOME power, and only one had a lower OPS+.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:07 pm 
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After several years in the majors showing that his lack of discipline in the minors was no fluke, He had 2 more walks today and a couple of great AB's . That brings his batting line up to .283/.340/.422, 98 wRC+ with a 7.9% walk rate compared to 19.5% k Rate.

Those walk and K rates especially are very encouraging. We've seen him hit before, but the over aggressive approach has sunk his OBP in the past, as he chased pitch after pitch. But now it really seems like he is "getting it" and changing his approach. If this sticks, combined with his decent hit tool, speed, and overall athleticism, it makes him a very valuable pre arb/ pre free agency player.

It remains to be seen if the improved approach WILL stick, but you have to be encouraged.

Of course it would be better if he was playing an above league average Shortstop putting up these numbers, as opposed to literally learning how to play CF on the fly.,

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:26 pm 
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One of the most pleasant surprises this season

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:59 pm 
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shoewizard wrote:
After several years in the majors showing that his lack of discipline in the minors was no fluke, He had 2 more walks today and a couple of great AB's . That brings his batting line up to .283/.340/.422, 98 wRC+ with a 7.9% walk rate compared to 19.5% k Rate.

Those walk and K rates especially are very encouraging. We've seen him hit before, but the over aggressive approach has sunk his OBP in the past, as he chased pitch after pitch. But now it really seems like he is "getting it" and changing his approach. If this sticks, combined with his decent hit tool, speed, and overall athleticism, it makes him a very valuable pre arb/ pre free agency player.

It remains to be seen if the improved approach WILL stick, but you have to be encouraged.

Of course it would be better if he was playing an above league average Shortstop putting up these numbers, as opposed to literally learning how to play CF on the fly.,


Play him at short. Given the train wreck that is this season and this roster, AZ can no longer afford the luxury of playing Ray Oyler 2.0 at short. Give him the rest of the season to focus on SS defensively and having a relatively stable slot in the batting order, too. See what he does. There are forward-looking roster decisions that should be made this year. (He's arb-eligible.) Not holding my breath he will continue with the improved plate discipline nor that the organization will handle him properly. But I hope so.


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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:50 am 
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I don't think shifting between center and short helps his overall play and still think they made a bad decision by not letting Ahmed spend more time in Reno to find a bat, and let Owings develop in his original position, instead of hoping that Ahmed would be better than he was, and is. Somewhat like not keeping Tomas in Reno until he showed plate discipline and power, and outfield skills.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
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• Infielder/outfielder Chris Owings' rehab from plantar fasciitis in his left foot is going slower than expected.
"It's not where we thought he'd be because we had to take a step back because after taking ground balls, he had some soreness," D-backs manager Chip Hale said. "We thought maybe when we got off the road [on Monday] he'd be available, but it's not going to be that way. We're going to have to have him go out and play some games."


From Steve Gilbert

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
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shoewizard wrote:
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• Infielder/outfielder Chris Owings' rehab from plantar fasciitis in his left foot is going slower than expected.
"It's not where we thought he'd be because we had to take a step back because after taking ground balls, he had some soreness," D-backs manager Chip Hale said. "We thought maybe when we got off the road [on Monday] he'd be available, but it's not going to be that way. We're going to have to have him go out and play some games."


From Steve Gilbert

A "few months" is referenced as the normal recovery time according to the Mayo Clinic website.
I suspect they are rushing things a bit, and pushed back his return to August.

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 Post subject: Re: Chris Owings
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This guy's been a key to our success this year. And has made huge strides, particularly at the plate.

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